00:00:29 + Lesaria (Lesaria!~Lesaria@h123-176-106-009.catv02.itscom.jp) to #もの書き予備@cre 00:01:57 ! Kannna_ ("Leaving...") 00:17:22 ! dain ("Leaving...") 00:42:38 ! Lesaria ("Leaving...") 01:32:49 ! shinkurou ("Leaving...") 01:42:13 ! syo ("Leaving...") 01:43:02 ! LizardMen ("戦いってのは、リズムで乗り 越 えていくんだ！") 01:46:20 + akiraani (akiraani!~akiraani@nfmv001016034.uqw.ppp.infoweb.ne.jp) to #もの書き予備@cre 01:46:43 Mode by aba[AWAY]: #もの書き予備@cre +o akiraani 02:24:21 ! akiraani (Ping timeout: 120 seconds) 02:25:10 + akiraani (akiraani!~akiraani@nfmv001016034.uqw.ppp.infoweb.ne.jp) to #もの書き予備@cre 02:25:18 Mode by aba[AWAY]: #もの書き予備@cre +o akiraani 02:47:29 ! kuronya ("Leaving...") 03:56:17 ! CHOBOJA ("Leaving...") 05:09:09 ! akiraani (Ping timeout: 120 seconds) 05:09:14 + akiraani_ (akiraani_!~akiraani@nfmv001016034.uqw.ppp.infoweb.ne.jp) to #もの書き予備@cre 05:09:21 Mode by aba[AWAY]: #もの書き予備@cre +o akiraani_ 05:30:09 ! Marcy (Client closed connection) 05:30:50 + Marcy (Marcy!~NoMarcy@om126192098186.1.openmobile.ne.jp) to #もの書き予備@cre 05:34:35 ! akiraani_ ("ソリッドファイター復刊賛同者求＞http://www.fukkan.com/vote.php3?no=27370") 05:55:12 ! imo ("Leaving...") 06:02:14 ! Balyoshi (Ping timeout: 120 seconds) 06:14:16 ! showchan_ ("Leaving...") 06:18:05 + showchan (showchan!~showchan@d3078202.tcat.ne.jp) to #もの書き予備@cre 06:19:43 + showchan_ (showchan_!~showchan@d3078202.tcat.ne.jp) to #もの書き予備@cre 06:19:43 ! Prof_M (Client closed connection) 06:20:23 + Prof_M (Prof_M!~moriarty@i220-221-118-71.s02.a004.ap.plala.or.jp) to #もの書き予備@cre 06:20:25 Mode by asahiya: #もの書き予備@cre +o Prof_M 06:23:19 ! showchan (Ping timeout: 120 seconds) 06:26:29 ! Shijima (Ping timeout: 120 seconds) 06:29:20 + Shijima (Shijima!~garnetinn@softbank126047129060.bbtec.net) to #もの書き予備@cre 06:29:28 Mode by koi-chanSRV: #もの書き予備@cre +o Shijima 06:35:09 + kaya-n (kaya-n!~kaya_n@pdf8404b1.kyotnt01.ap.so-net.ne.jp) to #もの書き予備@cre 07:10:13 ! Marcy (Ping timeout: 120 seconds) 07:10:22 + Marc1 (Marc1!~NoMarcy@om126192140114.1.openmobile.ne.jp) to #もの書き予備@cre 07:14:35 ! Marc1 (Ping timeout: 120 seconds) 07:16:43 + Marc3 (Marc3!~NoMarcy@softbank060143158164.bbtec.net) to #もの書き予備@cre 07:20:36 + Marc4 (Marc4!~NoMarcy@om126192136205.1.openmobile.ne.jp) to #もの書き予備@cre 07:20:56 ! Marc3 (Ping timeout: 120 seconds) 07:33:44 ふとしたキッカケがあって、「咲-Saki- 阿知賀編 episode of side-A」のピクシブ大百科とか見ていたんですが 07:36:08 キャラページの関連リンク先に「阿知賀編の準決勝最終局」を色々検証しているページがあって面白かったです。 07:36:48 ＃あ。「準決勝　先鋒戦最終局」 07:37:42 コラム：咲　阿知賀編その３～怜は一体何を「改変完了」したのか？～　http://www2.ocn.ne.jp/~white/column-achiga3.htm 07:38:46 確か阿知賀編でる前、本編5巻とかが出てたあたりの時期からすでに「『咲』は河の状態で戦局がちゃんと読めるように整えてあって凄い」みたいな感想があったはずですが 07:39:20 どうやら、そういった河の情報に加えて、アニメで描かれた各対局者の手牌を踏まえて 07:40:17 (asahiya) 「玄ちゃんは試合後、『他の人が連携していたこと』を仲間に教えられて初めて知ったけれど、これは彼女が鈍かったということなのか？」 07:41:31 (asahiya) 「怜が"一手先を読む"ことは知られた能力だが、この局面で敢えて"トリプル(3手先を読む能力)"を使った価値はあったのか」 07:41:43 (asahiya) 「改変していなければどうなっていた？」 07:42:10 とか、その辺モロモロの検証が、全部詰め込んでありましたｗ 07:43:05 + Lesaria (Lesaria!~Lesaria@h123-176-106-009.catv02.itscom.jp) to #もの書き予備@cre 07:43:10 ……コラム中「アニメでは各対局者の手牌が丁寧に書かれている」ってあったけど、「漫画では描かれていない」以上、スタッフも河から読み取ったのか 07:43:17 ! Shijima ("Leaving...") 07:43:31 それとも、「河を描くために作者が組んだ手牌」を正確に描いたのかｗｗ 07:43:45 どちらにしても、想像以上に恐ろしい手間がかかってるようで＾-＾；； 07:44:09 ＃こういう検証が破たんしないってこと自体も、凄い事だと思いました。 07:44:33 .k 咲-Saki- 07:44:33 (Toybox) http://cre.jp/search?sw=%E5%92%B2-Saki- 07:49:16 ＃「網羅的に検証しようとして、全部破綻する」ってケース、あってもおかしくないと思うんですよね。 08:15:04 + Shijima (Shijima!~garnetinn@softbank126047129060.bbtec.net) to #もの書き予備@cre 08:15:13 Mode by Toybox: #もの書き予備@cre +o Shijima 08:27:21 + CHOBOJA (CHOBOJA!~choboja@118.176.108.178) to #もの書き予備@cre 08:35:45 ! Marc4 (Ping timeout: 120 seconds) 08:36:55 + Marc5 (Marc5!~NoMarcy@om126192195216.1.openmobile.ne.jp) to #もの書き予備@cre 08:50:35 + Marc6 (Marc6!~NoMarcy@om126163035132.1.tik.openmobile.ne.jp) to #もの書き予備@cre 08:52:20 + Marcy (Marcy!~NoMarcy@om126192193027.1.openmobile.ne.jp) to #もの書き予備@cre 08:52:48 ! Marc5 (Ping timeout: 120 seconds) 08:53:57 + Kannna_ (Kannna_!~kannna@em36-244-175-61.pool.e-mobile.ne.jp) to #もの書き予備@cre 08:54:05 Mode by aba[AWAY]: #もの書き予備@cre +o Kannna_ 08:54:48 ! Marc6 (Ping timeout: 120 seconds) 09:08:41 ! Marcy (Ping timeout: 120 seconds) 09:09:07 + Marc1 (Marc1!~NoMarcy@softbank126021170069.bbtec.net) to #もの書き予備@cre 09:18:26 ! Marc1 (Ping timeout: 120 seconds) 09:21:25 + Marc2 (Marc2!~NoMarcy@om126163038213.1.tik.openmobile.ne.jp) to #もの書き予備@cre 09:25:37 ! Marc2 (Ping timeout: 120 seconds) 09:28:58 + MELTDOWN (MELTDOWN!~meltdown@p15202-ipngn100206sizuokaden.shizuoka.ocn.ne.jp) to #もの書き予備@cre 09:30:33 ! TK-Lean1 (Ping timeout: 120 seconds) 09:30:53 + Marc3 (Marc3!~NoMarcy@om126163035052.1.tik.openmobile.ne.jp) to #もの書き予備@cre 09:54:12 H_Aoi -> H_AoiAFK 09:57:39 ! Marc3 (Ping timeout: 120 seconds) 09:59:04 + Marc3 (Marc3!~NoMarcy@om126192176141.1.openmobile.ne.jp) to #もの書き予備@cre 10:26:13 + LizardMen (LizardMen!~LZD@ntaich065090.aich.nt.ngn.ppp.infoweb.ne.jp) to #もの書き予備@cre 10:26:43 Mode by aba[AWAY]: #もの書き予備@cre +o LizardMen 10:39:08 ! Lesaria ("Leaving...") 11:05:10 ! Yaduka (Client closed connection) 11:05:30 + Yaduka (Yaduka!~yaduka@ntchba364037.chba.nt.ftth.ppp.infoweb.ne.jp) to #もの書き予備@cre 11:05:38 Mode by aba[AWAY]: #もの書き予備@cre +o Yaduka 11:21:27 + TK-LeAn1 (TK-LeAn1!~TK-Leana@KD182251216042.au-net.ne.jp) to #もの書き予備@cre 11:21:49 Mode by koi-chan[away]: #もの書き予備@cre +o TK-LeAn1 11:46:52 ! Marc3 (Ping timeout: 120 seconds) 11:49:32 + Marc4 (Marc4!~NoMarcy@om126163098167.1.tik.openmobile.ne.jp) to #もの書き予備@cre 12:09:39 ! Marc4 (Client closed connection) 12:09:58 + Marcy (Marcy!~NoMarcy@om126163098167.1.tik.openmobile.ne.jp) to #もの書き予備@cre 12:17:34 jin_nagumo -> jin_nagumo[away] 12:20:04 ! Marcy (Client closed connection) 12:20:20 + Marcy (Marcy!~NoMarcy@om126163098167.1.tik.openmobile.ne.jp) to #もの書き予備@cre 12:21:19 ! Marcy (Client closed connection) 12:22:08 + gullo_i (gullo_i!~gullo_i@pw126254072017.8.panda-world.ne.jp) to #もの書き予備@cre 12:22:45 + Marcy (Marcy!~NoMarcy@om126163098167.1.tik.openmobile.ne.jp) to #もの書き予備@cre 12:23:22 ! Marcy (Client closed connection) 12:25:18 ! gullo_i (Client closed connection) 12:28:34 + Marcy (Marcy!~NoMarcy@om126163098167.1.tik.openmobile.ne.jp) to #もの書き予備@cre 12:32:02 ! Marcy (Client closed connection) 12:32:19 + Marcy (Marcy!~NoMarcy@om126163098167.1.tik.openmobile.ne.jp) to #もの書き予備@cre 12:32:27 ! Marcy (Client closed connection) 12:32:58 + Marcy (Marcy!~NoMarcy@om126163098167.1.tik.openmobile.ne.jp) to #もの書き予備@cre 12:38:47 + akiraani (akiraani!~akiraani@nfmv001016034.uqw.ppp.infoweb.ne.jp) to #もの書き予備@cre 12:39:10 Mode by aba[AWAY]: #もの書き予備@cre +o akiraani 12:52:20 ! aba[hp] ("ごきげんよう") 12:58:55 + aba[hp] (aba[hp]!~aba@softbank126045142098.bbtec.net) to #もの書き予備@cre 12:59:15 Mode by koi-chanSRV: #もの書き予備@cre +o aba[hp] 13:00:15 ! Kannna_ ("Leaving...") 13:19:07 + syo (syo!~syo@catv078-056.lan-do.ne.jp) to #もの書き予備@cre 13:19:16 Mode by aba[AWAY]: #もの書き予備@cre +o syo 13:24:29 + Balyoshi (Balyoshi!~username@k161241.ppp.asahi-net.or.jp) to #もの書き予備@cre 13:46:17 http://www.chosunonline.com/site/data/html_dir/2014/07/05/2014070500666.html　なんというか、おまえらがきちんと解決はからんからこうなっているんじゃないのかと、そんな感想。 14:04:04 ! Marcy (Ping timeout: 120 seconds) 14:04:13 + Marcy (Marcy!~NoMarcy@softbank126021170021.bbtec.net) to #もの書き予備@cre 14:06:28 ! Marcy (Client closed connection) 14:06:46 + Marcy (Marcy!~NoMarcy@softbank126021170021.bbtec.net) to #もの書き予備@cre 14:10:00 ! Marcy (Client closed connection) 14:10:30 + Marcy (Marcy!~NoMarcy@softbank126021170021.bbtec.net) to #もの書き予備@cre 14:14:19 ! Marcy (Client closed connection) 14:14:44 + Marc1 (Marc1!~NoMarcy@softbank126021170021.bbtec.net) to #もの書き予備@cre 14:17:53 ! Marc1 (Client closed connection) 14:18:25 ! zero2 (Client closed connection) 14:21:35 + Marcy (Marcy!~NoMarcy@softbank126021170021.bbtec.net) to #もの書き予備@cre 14:24:33 ! Marcy (Client closed connection) 14:26:15 ! showchan_ (Ping timeout: 120 seconds) 14:27:51 + Marcy (Marcy!~NoMarcy@om126192194042.1.openmobile.ne.jp) to #もの書き予備@cre 14:31:35 ! Marcy (Client closed connection) 14:34:38 + Marc1 (Marc1!~NoMarcy@om126163004091.1.tik.openmobile.ne.jp) to #もの書き予備@cre 15:27:20 ! kairi ("See you...") 15:32:19 ! sobon ("Leaving...") 15:33:03 + sobon (sobon!~sobon@nthkid178193.hkid.nt.ftth.ppp.infoweb.ne.jp) to #もの書き予備@cre 15:57:43 ! Marc1 (Ping timeout: 120 seconds) 15:57:55 + Marcy (Marcy!~NoMarcy@125-15-51-43.rev.home.ne.jp) to #もの書き予備@cre 16:02:09 ! Marcy (Ping timeout: 120 seconds) 16:06:14 + Marcy (Marcy!~NoMarcy@om126163008060.1.tik.openmobile.ne.jp) to #もの書き予備@cre 16:58:31 + zero2 (zero2!~zero2@i223-219-236-189.s41.a020.ap.plala.or.jp) to #もの書き予備@cre 16:59:38 ! MELTDOWN ("Leaving...") 16:59:40 ! zero2 ("Leaving...") 17:01:09 ! Marcy (Ping timeout: 120 seconds) 17:03:04 + Marc1 (Marc1!~NoMarcy@softbank126021170172.bbtec.net) to #もの書き予備@cre 17:03:20 ! SiIdeKei ("幸いにして次がありましたなら、またお会いしましょう。") 17:07:17 ! Marc1 (Ping timeout: 120 seconds) 17:08:37 + SiIdeKei (SiIdeKei!~SiIdeKei@server121.janis.or.jp) to #もの書き予備@cre 17:08:37 Mode by koi-chanSRV: #もの書き予備@cre +o SiIdeKei 17:09:13 + Marc2 (Marc2!~NoMarcy@om126163100057.1.tik.openmobile.ne.jp) to #もの書き予備@cre 17:20:11 + Marcy (Marcy!~NoMarcy@om126192196112.1.openmobile.ne.jp) to #もの書き予備@cre 17:20:41 ! Marc2 (Ping timeout: 120 seconds) 17:36:17 ! Marcy (Client closed connection) 17:36:35 + Marcy (Marcy!~NoMarcy@om126192196112.1.openmobile.ne.jp) to #もの書き予備@cre 17:42:23 + meltdown (meltdown!~meltdown@d10.Wst7N1FM7.vectant.ne.jp) to #もの書き予備@cre 17:42:31 Mode by aba[AWAY]: #もの書き予備@cre +o meltdown 18:17:44 + showchan (showchan!~showchan@dae61e0b.tcat.ne.jp) to #もの書き予備@cre 18:50:20 ! Yaduka ("Leaving...") 18:52:52 + Yaduka (Yaduka!~yaduka@ntchba364037.chba.nt.ftth.ppp.infoweb.ne.jp) to #もの書き予備@cre 18:53:07 Mode by aba[AWAY]: #もの書き予備@cre +o Yaduka 18:56:09 + imo__ (imo__!~imo@eatkyo283080.adsl.ppp.infoweb.ne.jp) to #もの書き予備@cre 18:56:14 Mode by koi-chanSRV: #もの書き予備@cre +o imo__ 19:20:40 + Kannna_ (Kannna_!~kannna@em36-244-175-61.pool.e-mobile.ne.jp) to #もの書き予備@cre 19:20:51 Mode by aba[AWAY]: #もの書き予備@cre +o Kannna_ 19:21:48 ! Marcy (Client closed connection) 19:23:16 + Marcy (Marcy!~NoMarcy@om126192196112.1.openmobile.ne.jp) to #もの書き予備@cre 19:25:06 ! Marcy (Client closed connection) 19:25:23 + Marcy (Marcy!~NoMarcy@om126192196112.1.openmobile.ne.jp) to #もの書き予備@cre 19:33:40 ! Marcy (Ping timeout: 120 seconds) 19:37:40 + Marc1 (Marc1!~NoMarcy@om126192167002.1.openmobile.ne.jp) to #もの書き予備@cre 19:41:58 H_AoiAFK -> H_Aoi 19:46:03 ! Marc1 (Ping timeout: 120 seconds) 19:46:29 + Marc1 (Marc1!~NoMarcy@om126192066190.1.openmobile.ne.jp) to #もの書き予備@cre 19:52:42 ! Marc1 (Ping timeout: 120 seconds) 19:57:55 + Marc2 (Marc2!~NoMarcy@om126192194024.1.openmobile.ne.jp) to #もの書き予備@cre 20:02:31 + akiraani_ (akiraani_!~akiraani@nfmv001016034.uqw.ppp.infoweb.ne.jp) to #もの書き予備@cre 20:02:42 Mode by aba[AWAY]: #もの書き予備@cre +o akiraani_ 20:03:47 ! akiraani (Ping timeout: 120 seconds) 20:15:23 + Pikoyan (Pikoyan!~UserID@p2163-ipngn606funabasi.chiba.ocn.ne.jp) to #もの書き予備@cre 20:26:24 + akiraani (akiraani!~akiraani@nfmv001016034.uqw.ppp.infoweb.ne.jp) to #もの書き予備@cre 20:26:39 Mode by aba[AWAY]: #もの書き予備@cre +o akiraani 20:27:07 ! akiraani_ (Ping timeout: 120 seconds) 21:01:17 cos0 -> _12_Galileo 21:01:38 ! LizardMen ("では血で清算してもらおうか！") 21:03:22 Marc2 -> Marcy 21:07:34 ! Marcy (Client closed connection) 21:07:50 + Marcy (Marcy!~NoMarcy@om126192194024.1.openmobile.ne.jp) to #もの書き予備@cre 21:08:25 ! Marcy (Client closed connection) 21:08:57 + Marcy (Marcy!~NoMarcy@om126192194024.1.openmobile.ne.jp) to #もの書き予備@cre 21:10:10 + zero2 (zero2!~zero2@gp-cm4b-0196.lcv.ne.jp) to #もの書き予備@cre 21:14:53 + syamo (syamo!~syamo@KD125053061189.ppp-bb.dion.ne.jp) to #もの書き予備@cre 21:23:22 + noraneco (noraneco!~noraneco@g210002203222.d006.icnet.ne.jp) to #もの書き予備@cre 21:40:35 ! akiraani (Ping timeout: 120 seconds) 21:40:55 + akiraani (akiraani!~akiraani@nfmv001016034.uqw.ppp.infoweb.ne.jp) to #もの書き予備@cre 21:41:06 Mode by aba[AWAY]: #もの書き予備@cre +o akiraani 21:44:17 ! Marcy (Client closed connection) 21:49:30 + Marcy (Marcy!~NoMarcy@om126163032128.1.tik.openmobile.ne.jp) to #もの書き予備@cre 21:55:09 + chita (chita!~chita@opt-125-215-74-87.client.pikara.ne.jp) to #もの書き予備@cre 21:56:22 + kairi (kairi!~kairi@i121-118-123-159.s10.a030.ap.plala.or.jp) to #もの書き予備@cre 21:59:41 ! akiraani (Ping timeout: 120 seconds) 22:00:07 + akiraani (akiraani!~akiraani@nfmv001016034.uqw.ppp.infoweb.ne.jp) to #もの書き予備@cre 22:00:22 Mode by aba[AWAY]: #もの書き予備@cre +o akiraani 22:12:03 ! Kannna_ (Ping timeout: 120 seconds) 22:16:02 + akiraani_ (akiraani_!~akiraani@nfmv001016034.uqw.ppp.infoweb.ne.jp) to #もの書き予備@cre 22:16:05 ! akiraani (Ping timeout: 120 seconds) 22:16:18 Mode by aba[AWAY]: #もの書き予備@cre +o akiraani_ 22:42:53 ! akiraani_ (Ping timeout: 120 seconds) 22:43:29 + akiraani (akiraani!~akiraani@nfmv001016034.uqw.ppp.infoweb.ne.jp) to #もの書き予備@cre 22:43:38 Mode by aba[AWAY]: #もの書き予備@cre +o akiraani 22:54:33 ! meltdown ("皆様に「砂漠の風」のあらんことを") 22:56:02 ! Prof_M (Client closed connection) 22:56:45 + Prof_M (Prof_M!~moriarty@i220-221-118-71.s02.a004.ap.plala.or.jp) to #もの書き予備@cre 22:56:46 Mode by asahiya: #もの書き予備@cre +o Prof_M 22:56:57 ! syamo ("Leaving...") 23:00:34 + dain (dain!~dain@p6101-ipbfp3201osakakita.osaka.ocn.ne.jp) to #もの書き予備@cre 23:08:34 + Lesaria (Lesaria!~Lesaria@h123-176-106-009.catv02.itscom.jp) to #もの書き予備@cre 23:28:21 ! Prof_M (Client closed connection) 23:29:05 + Prof_M (Prof_M!~moriarty@i220-221-118-71.s02.a004.ap.plala.or.jp) to #もの書き予備@cre 23:29:06 Mode by asahiya: #もの書き予備@cre +o Prof_M 23:35:05 ! Prof_M (Client closed connection) 23:35:25 + Prof_M (Prof_M!~moriarty@i220-221-118-71.s02.a004.ap.plala.or.jp) to #もの書き予備@cre 23:35:26 Mode by asahiya: #もの書き予備@cre +o Prof_M 23:40:08 ! akiraani (Ping timeout: 120 seconds) 23:40:11 + akiraani (akiraani!~akiraani@nfmv001016034.uqw.ppp.infoweb.ne.jp) to #もの書き予備@cre 23:40:29 Mode by aba[AWAY]: #もの書き予備@cre +o akiraani 23:44:02 ! dain ("Leaving...") 23:44:28 + akiraani_ (akiraani_!~akiraani@nfmv001142022.uqw.ppp.infoweb.ne.jp) to #もの書き予備@cre 23:44:44 Mode by aba[AWAY]: #もの書き予備@cre +o akiraani_ 23:44:45 ! akiraani (Ping timeout: 120 seconds) 23:46:22 jin_nagumo[away] -> jin_nagumo